Comments on: AJAX MVC (so to speak)

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By: Jimmy

Jimmy — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:59:29 +0000

I know this post has been written long ago, but I happened to be researching about architectural patterns and have found that there are diverse approaches (MVA, MVP, and 2 layers MVC). Have to say, that I like how you explain it but mixing js with html, or js with php is not so well separated, as the MVC fundamentals advocate.

I like the Presentation Model pattern (also known as Application pattern) but will scheme the others approaches too.

MVA:

http://blog.palantirtech.com/2009/04/20/model-view-adapter/

Model Adapter View
eg: PHP PHP, JS HTML, CSS

Presentation Model

http://canoo.com/blog/2008/02/01/the-world-needs-more-models/
http://martinfowler.com/eaaDev/PresentationModel.html

Model Controller Presentation Model View
eg: PHP PHP JS HTML, CSS

MVC 2 layers:

Client: Model Controller View && Server Model Controller View
eg: PHP PHP XML, JASON JS JS HTML, XML

I know these patterns say almost the same, but hey just pick one, try it and look which one fits you better. For my purposes I choosed the Model Presenter with an AJAX approach, as it is based on an desktop application and therefore it resembles AJAX objective… bring the application features to a web platform.

By: CODERS » AJAX en MVC

CODERS » AJAX en MVC — Tue, 19 May 2009 02:14:13 +0000

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By: Dave

Dave — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:48:12 +0000

Scott, I think you’re quibbling over implementation details there… the point his post was trying to make it that you can fit AJAX into MVC, and to throw out a brief example for the sake of discussion than provide a definitive framework other people would use to build apps in.

I’m currently working on the same issue and it was nice to get some ideas from Google before I start coding. Thanks for the article.

By: Scott S. McCoy

Scott S. McCoy — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:20:54 +0000

This is not really a framework. Typically, you don’t unzip a framework and program into it. In fact, you never do — that would be called a template; indeed, this is an “application template”. Meanwhile, it’s not really an MVC either, an MVC is an application in which the model is consumable by a view (note: models in that context are typically objects…data structures which have behavior) and in your case, the model is … a function?

Also I should mention, that there are better ways to deal with dynamic dispatch than a big switch statement — in fact, that’s probably the worst way. A dispatch table would be more appropriate, since PHP doesn’t particularly have function references (atleast, last I checked…it’s been some years, probably does now) you could simply use dynamic method-name invocation to simulate a dispatch table ($object->$method()). But in an ideal scenario, and in a framework for that matter, usually your controller is data driven, not a big switch statement you have to add another case to for each new bit of functionality (that doesn’t sound very maintenance friendly).

By: burun estetigi

burun estetigi — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:33:29 +0000

The way I see it is that the view and controllers on the client side interact with a client side model. That client side model then handles the data retrieving and sending.

By: dishearten

dishearten — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:29:06 +0000

Hi. Congratulations for your article very useful. But I have a question, Working with Object Oriented Programming, it is possible to retrieve objects from the server. Which is the best way to achieve (An example if possible).

By: Justin

Justin — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:30:56 +0000

We’re in the process of launching a true JavaScript MVC framework called … what else but JavaScriptMVC ( http://javascriptmvc.com ). It has everything you’d expect in an MVC framework:

Include – can include and compress files cross domain.

Model – Integrated Jester REST library.

Controller – Best in class event delegation library. Function names are combination css selectors and event names.

View – Integrated EJS library (embeddedjs.com)

And, we’ve got things like gears, history, and remote scripting integrated as well.

By: Sing Chyun

Sing Chyun — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:21:37 +0000

Hi,

Nice concepts you have here! Almost a year after your posting, there’s a paper on using AJAX to implement the business controller:

http://wisdomofganesh.blogspot.com/2007/10/life-above-service-tier.html

And the corresponding discussion at The Server Side:

http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=47213

By: Nuntius

Nuntius — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:22:21 +0000

First of all thanks for the example it clears things up for me about how others are working with MVC. My criticism of this particular methodology would be that all of your ‘module parts’ are abstract. How do you manage them as one piece should you want to reuse the whole module? While I agree with the core part of the concept I am wondering about how difficult it would be to manage.

I think my approach is more of a “MVC Fusebox”. In my scenario you operate on with the AJAX and “business” controller as an AJAX engine. Then when you drop in a module and make a menu reference it is live. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this approach.